AE86 Best Suspension Setup

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AE86 Best Suspension Setup

Postby Jafet » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:01 pm

I was just wondering what kind of setups you guys have or what would best like coiolovesr all around if so which ones or coilovers in the front trd lowering springs in the back. Asking what would be good for daily and drift

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Re: AE86 Best Suspension Setup

Postby Autohaus_Z » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:13 pm

Take a look at the Fortune Auto Coilovers Battle Garage offers. We spent a good amount of time testing and revising the Battle Garage x Swift rear springs (Full spring and coilover spring) which offer a built in progressive spring rate: daily driving comfort with no sacrifice in performance.
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Re: AE86 Best Suspension Setup

Postby Jayrdee » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:14 am

^^ Ditto to what this guy said ^^

If you're looking for a "store-bought" option, Fortune Auto is the way to go. I have these on mine and I couldn't be happier. The digressive dampening does wonders for daily driving. Just be sure to get the radial bearing mount upgrade if you go this route. I didn't at first, but got them later. I wrote a lengthy review of them here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21044

Then there's the DIY route, which can get you the same, if not better results, for potentially cheaper. TRD, Koni, Bilstein shocks and Swift springs seem to be pretty common and proven to perform. T3 offers a good budget package thats pretty popular as well, and they'll let you pick your own shocks.
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Re: AE86 Best Suspension Setup

Postby CloudStrife » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:56 am

I'd just like to say not everyone is happy with progressive spring rates. I know competent people, and good track drivers which steer clear of them. I won't write a dissertation here, but do some google research on progressive vs linear springs and rates.

FA coilovers are pretty much tier 1 though, especially the setup that BG sells. BC is a good tie for 1st place on the 86. Otherwise I would go custom (tons of information), or not bother buying anything else/sticking with stock. Remember that old springs sag a bit, and you will actually sit a bit "lower", even though your shocks are probably trash at this point.

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Re: AE86 Best Suspension Setup

Postby totta crolla » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:17 am

The two criteria you have stated you want to use the car for are entirely different so you will end up being more compromised than is ideal for both disciplines. Best you can do is use soft springs for daily driving and then use your adjustable dampers to stiffen up the suspension when drifting. An adjustable anti-roll bar on the rear would be a benefit too.
Height adjustment on the coilover body would also help. If you decide against coilovers on the rear, T3 sell a nice spacer that sits on top of the spring to add a little extra height for daily use.

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Re: AE86 Best Suspension Setup

Postby Jafet » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:17 pm

totta crolla wrote:The two criteria you have stated you want to use the car for are entirely different so you will end up being more compromised than is ideal for both disciplines. Best you can do is use soft springs for daily driving and then use your adjustable dampers to stiffen up the suspension when drifting. An adjustable anti-roll bar on the rear would be a benefit too.
Height adjustment on the coilover body would also help. If you decide against coilovers on the rear, T3 sell a nice spacer that sits on top of the spring to add a little extra height for daily use.


Alright makes sense, thanks for the information and input

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Re: AE86 Best Suspension Setup

Postby Illegal_Garage » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:30 pm

For drift T3 with HTS setup will be the best bang for the buck

BEST BEST off the shelf would be toda fightex

BEST BEST BEST that money can buy would be a custom built penske setup but your looking at $10,000-50,000

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Re: AE86 Best Suspension Setup

Postby Deuce Cam » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:00 am

Imo, custom is always best. Its because the setup can be tailored for the car's intended use.

As far as off the shelf coilovers go... on paper it sounds like fortune auto and shockworks are the best rounded. Both claim ae86 specific tuning. Shockworks even claims model specific road tuning, and has default 6/4k spring rates, which is a sign they actually may have done model specific tuning (all other off the shelf kits use cookie cutter 8/6k rates...) BGRS, claims road tuning as well for their FA kit, but only in the form of optional rear springs (please correct me if im wrong). Also, FA dampers are digressive!

There are more obscure options that Im less familiar with. Toda has a kit, GAZ has a kit; also, iirc, ennepetal japan has an expensive kit that some of the current 'n2 tsukuba' cars use. Companies like kw, etc. have made custom kits for ae86 race cars and could make one for you, but at a cost of at least $3k+++++.

T3 is decent too. They fall somewhere in between custom and off the shelf in my mind. Its because they use off the shelf shocks, usually from other makes/models; although, theyre known to work on an ae86. If t3 could do their own bespoke ae86 model specific damping somehow it would be a huge plus.

Group 4 has a similar approach as t3 with their ae86 suspension. The main difference is they tune more for rally, whereas t3 is meant for drift/track use.

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Re: AE86 Best Suspension Setup

Postby Jayrdee » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:47 pm

Deuce Cam wrote:IT3 is decent too. They fall somewhere in between custom and off the shelf in my mind. Its because they use off the shelf shocks, usually from other makes/models; although, theyre known to work on an ae86. If t3 could do their own bespoke ae86 model specific damping somehow it would be a huge plus.


Just to bounce off what was said here, for their coilover conversion kits you're able to swap whatever shocks you want in them with an added expense. Well, the ones they offer. Pretty sure right now its KYB AGX, Bilstein, TRD Blue, and Tokico HTS. I almost bought the T3 stuff with TRD Blue shocks.
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Re: AE86 Best Suspension Setup

Postby Deuce Cam » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:52 pm

Exactly. Their original front 'coilovers' are oem ae86 strut casings that are shortened 40 mm and converted to accept coilover springs. (After a while they started adding a welded on spindle brace too.)

Their new advanced front coilovers mirror all the dimensions as the original, but with ALL NEW PARTS (rather than reusing old stuff). I asked about the gland nut thread size some time ago and he told me they use the coarser thread from later models, rather than the fine thread oem ae86 uses.

As mentioned any of the popular 'short stroke' shocks will fit, and many others.

I tried the adjustable trd race blue shocks previously with their og 'coilovers.' Tried 6.5, 7, and 8k springs. (Little-to-no preload.) They're good: high performance, plenty of rebound, but a bit harsh on the street, even on decent roads...

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