20v by starting issues

User avatar
Mr.Fujiwara
Club4AG Expert
Posts: 482
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:13 am
Location: North Hollywood

20v by starting issues

Postby Mr.Fujiwara » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:03 pm

Ok so my car has not been running for a week now
It was running but I had a bent exhaust cam and I have
A relocation kit so I figured that was causing my bogging

Anyways I replaced the cam pulley aligned all the timing
And now just cranks and no start

Things I've checked:

Fuel pump hard wired by toggle switch
Fuel injector are getting 11.5 Volts with key in on position
All 4 plug wires get spark
Recharged the battery
Checked EVERY fuse on the car

The car was running before

My set up is stock 4ag bt 20v
One of relocation n kit
Oem dizzy cap rotor spark plugs all OEM Toyota
Open itbs

Now my car was running the night before I was driving around
No problem starting and stopping

Alternator / starter are brand new


Thanks for the help I usually don't post but I've checked everyone else solution that I've searched all
Over even through the old forum but still nothing any advice would help

Or if anyone is Los Angeles area that could come by and help that would be great
I'm just stumped

Thanks again club hope I find the issue I just spent 900$ on a new rear end and now this :/
Old username: Charskiezz

20V BT: Traded For F20c Swap

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2910
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: 20v by starting issues

Postby jondee86 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:16 pm

Image

Knock pin in the wrong slot ??

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

User avatar
Mr.Fujiwara
Club4AG Expert
Posts: 482
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:13 am
Location: North Hollywood

Re: 20v by starting issues

Postby Mr.Fujiwara » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:51 am

jondee86 wrote:Image

Knock pin in the wrong slot ??

Cheers... jondee86



The one I purchased only had one slot it could only go in one way
:/
Old username: Charskiezz

20V BT: Traded For F20c Swap

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2910
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: 20v by starting issues

Postby jondee86 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:20 pm

Engine timed on the exhaust stroke instead of compression stroke ??

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

User avatar
Mr.Fujiwara
Club4AG Expert
Posts: 482
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:13 am
Location: North Hollywood

Re: 20v by starting issues

Postby Mr.Fujiwara » Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:39 pm

Thanks for the fast replies man!

im a bit of a NEWB here i didnt have to adjust the timing
i just made sure everything was at TDC then pulled off the
pulley put the new one on everything was lined up i rotated
the engine to make sure and then tried to fire it up and nothing
:| :?:
Old username: Charskiezz

20V BT: Traded For F20c Swap

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2910
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: 20v by starting issues

Postby jondee86 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:41 pm

Well, if it ran before and it doesn't run now, the chances are that something you
moved while changing the pulley is causing the problem. If you have fuel and you
have spark, but no snap, crackle or pop, then the spark must be happening at
the wrong time.

Go back over everything that you moved and see if it went back the right way. If
it is possible to assemble any part of the dissy relocate kit half a turn wrong, take
a look to see if that happened. When the #1 cylinder is at TDC on the compression
stroke, the rotor should be more or less alongside of the #1 cylinder pin inside the
dissy cap. Check that first.

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

allencr
Club4AG Expert
Posts: 394
Joined: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:59 pm

Re: 20v by starting issues

Postby allencr » Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:26 pm

WHAT does it do besides not run/start????
No symptom at all, no backfire, hiccup, fart, cough and doesn't give any indication that it sounds like it almost wanna start, is a symptom of no fuel, not the cam&ignition timing per jondee's excellent replies.
Just swap plug wires 1 for 4, 2 for 3 if you've got it 180 degrees out.

User avatar
Mr.Fujiwara
Club4AG Expert
Posts: 482
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:13 am
Location: North Hollywood

Re: 20v by starting issues

Postby Mr.Fujiwara » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:55 am

allencr wrote:WHAT does it do besides not run/start????
No symptom at all, no backfire, hiccup, fart, cough and doesn't give any indication that it sounds like it almost wanna start, is a symptom of no fuel, not the cam&ignition timing per jondee's excellent replies.
Just swap plug wires 1 for 4, 2 for 3 if you've got it 180 degrees out.



I've tanning off the timing belt and rechecked everything a few times the last couple of days
It pops like mis firing almost but only the first time I try to crank after that it just cranks
I have my fuel pump wired via toggle switch but I'm getting proper voltage to everything injectors pump
I can feel the fuel to the fuel rail and on the return line

I'll try to swap around the plugs a bit
Thanks for the reply guys I appreciate all the help I can get ! :mrgreen:
Old username: Charskiezz

20V BT: Traded For F20c Swap

User avatar
Mr.Fujiwara
Club4AG Expert
Posts: 482
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:13 am
Location: North Hollywood

Re: 20v by starting issues

Postby Mr.Fujiwara » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:11 pm

Great news !!
Got the car running!
Swapped the plugs around they weren't
In the same position as when it was running
But it's cool cause it's running better than it
Ever has pretty happy loads of power from 5k-8200
Still have some hesitation before hand but it's not
As bad as it was I don't think the timing is 100% on
(Timing being the distributor body @ the back of the head)
But still this is the best it's felt since I have had this motor in

I was reading that hesitation could be

Knock sensor
vvti solenoid or o2 or tps
I'll check those
My vvti solenoid is new from
Battle garage

So I'll check the tps o2 and knock
Sorry I don't get to reply faster
Holiday stuffs

Thanks again guys I'll keep the thread updated
Any suggestions help

Thanks again and happy holidays Club
Old username: Charskiezz

20V BT: Traded For F20c Swap