hi guys. i just joined here to get some questions answered. I don't have much experience with these engines but i do have a 1jz mk3 supra. so I'm heavy into the supra world. I also do work as a tech at a shop so I'm not a car noob. now one of these engine will be going into a fox mustang. this car has already had a ka24de running in it but i traded the ka for an sr but with the sr being a front sump with an aluminum pan. it doesn't make it very fun since it gets in the way of my steering rack. i want to daily this car and since i have a tt supra i have the whole need for power this covered. however i still would like something out of the car. how are the power levels of these? now i now the 20v (silver top) has more out of box but how are they in modded form? i also read the 20v (silver top) has oiling issues? how can these be fixed? I'm doing all this my self if anyone needs to know.

hi guys. i just joined here to get some questions answered. I don't have much experience with these engines but i do have a 1jz mk3 supra. so I'm heavy into the supra world. I also do work as a tech at a shop so I'm not a car noob. 16v or 20v??? one of these engine will be going into a fox mustang. this car has already had a ka24de running in it but i traded the ka for an sr but with the sr being a front sump with an aluminum pan, it doesn't make it very fun since it gets in the way of my steering rack. i know i can modify it but its not worth it. i know i will have to modify the 4ag oil pan and pick up as well but steel is easier to weld the aluminum since i don't have a fig welder. i want to daily this car and since i have a tt supra i have the whole need for power thing covered. however i still would like something out of the car. how are the power levels of these? now i now the 20v (silver top) has more out of box but how are they in modded form? i also read the 20v (silver top) has oiling issues? how can these be fixed? I'm doing all this my self if anyone needs to know.

Start with the what model you have. SR5 or GT-S? After that, I think one of the more experienced members can help you.
By the way, welcome to the forum!

jzamerican wrote:now one of these engine will be going into a fox mustang. this car has already had a ka24de running in it but i traded the ka for an sr but with the sr being a front sump with an aluminum pan.

lol...wut.


Am I reading this wrong? 1.6l in a mustang?
aside from that.... all 4age are front sump as well.

Hmmm 1UZFE sounds like a cool swap for a fox mustang. nice exotic sounding V8 huh? and they are cheap!!!

It does sound like you're going in a few directions, and I'm rather skeptical that you're being serious at all.

Pick a direction.

So are you trying to put a 4AG in a Foxbody? Personally, I'd just try to find a wrecked Foxbody with a V8.

the only way to get power out of a small 1.6 motor is to rev it so I think you will be disappointed in the performance (for a daily driver)

maybe a Beams 3sg would be and idea

They put 5.0s in trucks and vans of the same era as well. easy to find

Lol guys this car never came v8 and probly won't be one for a long time. I understand this seems like a stretch for you guys but I do have vids of this car running the ka and a bunch of pics of it. I'm truly serious and I am going to put one of the two in there. I'm thinking that eventually this car will get a 1uz but not yet. That's the only v8 this car will see

Like I said I'm more towards daily with this car.
And yup your reading it right and yup I know there all front sump. I've already been doing my research and I know I can change it since it's a steel pan
And clouds i don't have an ae86. I wish I did but I can't find a clean/not stupidly overpriced shell

i can't tell if your trolling or not.

Honestly i just dont think it will be a good idea. My buddy had one of those rwd celicas with a 4age in it and the weight of the vehicle made it a dog. Horrible gas mileage and not enuff power to really move it anywhere.

not his car, but it was this model.

I spend a lot of my time telling people not to give up on the 4AGE for reaching their goals but in this case I would have to agree that any NA 4A will probably be a bit of a letdown.
You can get a 16 valve making more power than a stock 20V pretty easy wit cams and compression. From there I find them both impractically expensive to get much more out of unless you are limited by a class of racing or something similar.
If you went with boost you could probably get an acceptable entertaining ride out of it.

ok guys I'm not trolling at all. heres some pics. and looking up the weights on an ae86 and a hatch mustang. there pretty close with the mustang weighing only 2 to 300 more

is there any way to get a steel oil pan for a 3sge??

Man, the muscle car guys gonna be hatin'! I'll just be here laughing at the awesome sacrilege

I would stick with the KA24DE, the extra torque would make a huge difference. They are a pretty decent engine, and take to boost really well.

I can feel the difference with another person in my car with a 4AC.... I can only imagine that a 4AG with 300lbs more weight would feel like. It might be worth looking into one of those little Pinto Motors... they at least have a turbo and I believe they are closer to bolt in for a mustang. I love Fords and Toyotas... but you are making my brain hurt. lol

7AGZE - 16V 10.5 to 1 compression, SC14, custom cams 220@ .040" with 9mm of lift custom management. this should have no problem planting 200hp, 200#/ft of torque... which should be more than adequate for this vintage Mustang*...


* - original power plant was a 2.3 (88hp), options were the Cologne V6 (110hp), the turbo 4 @132hp, and the 302 @ 140hp.

The turbo 4 cyl was had the most power 132 for this year the v8 which was a 4.2 has 120 and there was no v6 in my year only an inline 6 which had 94

I do appreciate the comments but it's getting one if the three engines listed. If I can get a 3sge with a steel pan I'll do that

jzamerican wrote:I do appreciate the comments but it's getting one if the three engines listed. If I can get a 3sge with a steel pan I'll do that

Why is the steel pan important?

jzamerican wrote:The turbo 4 cyl was had the most power 132 for this year the v8 which was a 4.2 has 120 and there was no v6 in my year only an inline 6 which had 94

1980??


The one, and only new car I ever bought was a 1980 Turbo Capri. I ordered the car, as opposed to buying something on the lot. I ordered it with the turbo 4, (no P/S, or A/C), 4 speed, TRX suspension, Recaro interior (orange), painted dark burgundy, I also ordered an RS grill (flat black) and had it fitted before I picked it up.

Oh... 132hp... was about 40+ shy of what mine planted , shortly after the warranty I fitted a Racer Walsh boost kit, I could turn up the boost from inside the car...

burdickjp wrote:

jzamerican wrote:I do appreciate the comments but it's getting one if the three engines listed. If I can get a 3sge with a steel pan I'll do that

Why is the steel pan important?

Easier to modify then an aluminum pan

oldeskewltoy wrote:

jzamerican wrote:The turbo 4 cyl was had the most power 132 for this year the v8 which was a 4.2 has 120 and there was no v6 in my year only an inline 6 which had 94

1980??


The one, and only new car I ever bought was a 1980 Turbo Capri. I ordered the car, as opposed to buying something on the lot. I ordered it with the turbo 4, (no P/S, or A/C), 4 speed, TRX suspension, Recaro interior (orange), painted dark burgundy, I also ordered an RS grill (flat black) and had it fitted before I picked it up.

Oh... 132hp... was about 40+ shy of what mine planted , shortly after the warranty I fitted a Racer Walsh boost kit, I could turn up the boost from inside the car...

Yup lol I've owned this car since I was 14 (now 22) and still have yet to drive her

^Oh, wow, let's get this car running then shall we?