4age build synopsis

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Re: 4age build synopsis

Postby yoshimitsuspeed » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:09 pm

eh atll do wrote:You actually got them mixed up so bad that your whole explaination was of ft# of work... so was the one of the first links you sent me..


You mean the link talking about physics and the proper usage of ft/lb and lb/ft. Sorry but they have it right. lb/ft is a measurement of torque. ft/lb is a measurement of work.

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Re: 4age build synopsis

Postby eh atll do » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:36 pm

Oh y send one with ft# if it aint relevant? The first one actually says essentials: torque is measured hp is calculated. Totally agree.
Did your physics book say anything about the automotive and optical applications of torque? Mine does. I guess most people dont understand the difference in torque and mechanical energy. The ones that do are running research and develpment at shelby. say ft#=mechanical torque aka energy #ft=machinery torque aka what makes a car move... youll say ft# isnt torque but ull also say that torque is torque. Can you tell me that torque is torque assuming my text book is right and wikipedia is a bunch of postings? Your the pro dont ask for my sources prove me wrong. And hit up those books. Maybe one that has torque on the title. I hate to be wrong and hate to be right. But love to go fast.

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Re: 4age build synopsis

Postby eh atll do » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:38 pm

Replace mechanical torque with mechanical energy. Might make more sense that way. My point is actually provided in those 2 links about #ft and ft#... aka torque and mechanical energy.

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Re: 4age build synopsis

Postby yoshimitsuspeed » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:40 pm

eh atll do wrote:Oh y send one with ft# if it aint relevant?

It's incredibly relevant.

First to understand the difference between force and work.
Since you are a considerate person, you decide to push your car out of the way of the people behind you. You get out and go round back and begin to push on the car. Suppose also that you are a fairly strong person, so you exert a horizontal force of 100 pounds on the rear of the car. The car doesn’t move. But you are also a persistent person, so you continue to push on the car for two whole minutes, exerting the same 100 pounds of force. The car still won’t move. Although you will probably be quite tired, you will have done NO WORK.


This is the exact same principle as torque and HP. You can sit at the end of a torque wrench and put everything you have into turning it all day long. If it doesn't move you have done no work even though you have expended a great deal of energy.

Second, it's a good way to educate people on the difference between ft/lb and lb/ft. ft/lb has nothing to do with torque. It is a measurement of work done. HP is a measurement of work done over time. If you took ft/lbs and added time you could then convert it to HP or KW or any other measurement of work done over time.

Did you read through this whole page?
I swear, all of it's in there.

eh atll do wrote: say ft#=mechanical torque aka energy #ft=machinery torque aka what makes a car move...


People who work at Shelby know that ft/lbs has nothing to do with torque and also know that there is a difference between work IE ft/lbs and energy.
lb/ft don't make a car move, HP does.

youll say ft# isnt torque

Ft/lb isn't torque.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-pound_%28energy%29

You don't like Wikipedia? Okay how about some more sources, on top of the one I already provided that breaks it down rather well.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/foot-pound

http://www.convertunits.com/info/foot-pound+force

There are a thousand more sites out there clearly defining ft/lbs and lb/feet and only the most uneducated will link ft/lb to torque.

You are trying to convince me that there are multiple forms/formula/whatever for different kinds of torque. I cannot prove there are not any more han I can prove God doesn't exist. It's impossible to prove something doesn't exist however with more research than I ever should have put into it I still can't figure out what you are talking about. It is up to you to prove that something does exist, otherwise you are just another guy on the internet making claims with no backed foundation in reality. No half intelligent person on the internet takes people like that seriously.

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Re: 4age build synopsis

Postby yoshimitsuspeed » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:43 pm

eh atll do wrote:Replace mechanical torque with mechanical energy. Might make more sense that way. My point is actually provided in those 2 links about #ft and ft#... aka torque and mechanical energy.


Your whole argument has been about torque. This statement undoes everything.
I still don't know where you are getting mechanical energy from. There is energy and there is work.

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Re: 4age build synopsis

Postby eh atll do » Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:21 pm

This is all a mix up in termonology on my part. And the formula explains what it is in the formula. This whole time i thaught mechanical torque was a word for ft# and that you were telling me ft# applies to engines. Turns out ft#s isnt even torque. My bad. My arrogance procedes me.

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Re: 4age build synopsis

Postby eh atll do » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:03 am

But seriously whats wrong with letting people call torque ft#. It may be politily incorrect but it saves alot of confusion.

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Re: 4age build synopsis

Postby eh atll do » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:08 am

Wow.. im pretty green. Now that a read through all that stuff with that understanding it makes since sry bro.

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Re: 4age build synopsis

Postby eh atll do » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:40 am

Technically not politicly

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Re: 4age build synopsis

Postby yoshimitsuspeed » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:18 am

Lol, no worries. At least we got it all worked out.

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Re: 4age build synopsis

Postby eh atll do » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:46 am

Fo sho. Well ima look for some parts. We got a pick n pull down here :D

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Re: 4age build synopsis

Postby yoshimitsuspeed » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:57 am

If you need any new parts let me know.
This is just a small fraction of what I can get. In fact there isn't much I can't get. If you order multiple things through me as opposed to many different places chances are I can get you at least as good a deal.

As far as turbos, if you are interested in something used or rebuilt I would look at T28s that came off quite a few nissans. They are pretty plentiful and have a standard flange which is a big bonus if you ever want to move up or down in size.
If you wanted new I can get Garrett and many others.

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Re: 4age build synopsis

Postby eh atll do » Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:37 pm

Fo sho. Now ima look for some parts. I gotta pick n pull down here :D

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Re: 4age build synopsis

Postby eh atll do » Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:42 pm

Omit last entry lol. Sr20det didnt know they came on alot of nissans. Just assumed the high end ones. Ill check prices and see what you can do. Might want to utilize your water jet. Jelly...

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